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Teixeira and Mounk: Populism, Free Speech, and the Next Political Realignment

Today, I’m pleased to welcome Yascha Mounk to the TLP Podcast. Yascha is an Associate Professor of the Practice of International Affairs at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University and is the author of the excellent 2023 book, The Identity Trap, featured on TLP when it was first published. He is the founder and editor-in-chief of the always interesting Persuasionnewsletter and writes regularly on his own personal self-titledSubstack as well.

Join us for a nuanced discussion about unresolved populism in Western societies, the contradictions of modern free speech politics, and why liberal democracy risks erosion without the emergence of bolder, more heterodox leaders.

5 comments on “Teixeira and Mounk: Populism, Free Speech, and the Next Political Realignment

  1. William Benjamin Bankston on

    So, wokeness alone is to blame for the rise of the nationalistic right throughout the West? Consistent if nothing else from them.

    The reality, though, is that their method of moderation has in fact been tried. Keir Starmer’s British government and to a lesser extent, Olaf Scholz’ one in Germany were moderate. Scholz didn’t want to go too big on infrastructure or environmentalism, and Starmer’s been an even more moderate Prime Minister. Results? Scholz was routed in a bid for a second term, and the SPD is the #3 party behind a CDU to the right of the Merkel era and the hard right Alternative for Germany. Meanwhile, Starmer is set for the same fate unless an economic boom occurs between now and the next British election.

    Not to mention that a look at The Liberal Patriot and Jonathan Chait’s posts before November show them praising Kamala Harris’ centrism on noneconomic issues. Why was it that after Donald Trump won, an asterisk was all of a sudden necessary?

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    • Victor on

      Do you disagree with the argument that many voters that no longer back the left in the West will not return to backing it unless there is cultural moderation along with economic progressivism? Because that is the core argument.

      Do you deny that wokeness has had a major impact in how the left is seen in the West? Because that is the main premise to the core argument.

      Teixeira always said that Kamala’s moderation was insufficient. In fact Kamala was a twice a flipflopper, which voters don’t like.

      Starmer and Scholz are heads of government during the post-Covid inflation, so it is not surprising they aren’t popular.

      Scholz did very little regarding immigration and finished the closing of nuclear plants. He wobbled on arms to Ukraine.

      There hasn’t been a single particularly successful leftwing government in Europe in decades because the post World War II conditions that made it possible for the left to be successful are no longer there.

      As long as one has neoliberal globalization, national governments have very little margin of action before stock markets and capital flight force u-turns.

      But you oppose nationalism, associating it with the right.

      The irony of all this is that voters see Trump as the only one who broke with globalization, that is why he has such a cult following that he could get away with shaking up the system economically in a way that is meaningful and not just centrist reformism.

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      • William Benjamin Bankston on

        You’re missing the point. Since centrists have also proven to be quite beatable by the nationalists themselves, and moderates of both parties have been almost completely wiped out. And despite centrist insistence otherwise, in fair fights with the left and right.

        I can prove that it ain’t wokeness. Is it really any more politically toxic than the Rodney King riots, progressive complaints about welfare reform, the “Loose Change” propaganda films that popularized 9/11 conspiracy theories, Barack Obama’s associations with a hippy terrorist and black separatist preacher, and the window breakers of Occupy Wall Street on the road to Democratic victories in 1992, 1996, 2006, 2008, and 2012? In other words, the idea that progressives were so much more disciplined than is self-preserving fantasy of moderates, particularly those in the Democratic Party.

        “But a completely different Democratic Party condemned all that insanity,” you’ll say. And Joe Biden said “*fund* the police” in a State of the Union and supported Israel verbally and financially. It made no political difference On the other hand, I don’t think Democratic leaders said much, if anything, negative about 9/11 “truthers,” Occupy Wall Street, and they ran a red meat convention right after Bill Clinton signed welfare reform. For example, Jesse Jackson spoke at it and was allowed to express his misgivings with that bill.

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        • Victor on

          Unlike Clinton and Obama, Biden never even tried an actual break with some of the most radical ideas of the cultural left.

          By the time he said fund the police, the damage was done. Clinton actually achieved funds for community policing because he made it an actual priority.

          It was even worse with immigration on which Biden only changed policy cynically at the end of his mandate. While Obama was the deporter in chief.

          Biden never took a centrist course on transgender rights, just the opposite. Clinton did don’t ask don’t tell and DOMA, Obama opposed gay marriage to the last minute.

          Biden failed to communicate a centrist policy on the environment and energy. He failed to confront radical environmentalists on permitting reform, which is essential for deploying renewables, thereby showing lack of commitment to the very goals of his administration.

          Biden was incoherent on free trade, tariffs, China and security. Easy stuff like banning Tiktok he left to Trump.

          But the thing is Biden was not alone. He represented the absent leadership of the higher echelons of the party.

          Yes Biden was old and unfocused, but so was the whole Democratic party.

          If we turn to the left, they are just as useless.

          You say the moderates have been wiped out. But the Squad is completely stuck and it doesn’t really achieve anything (not even internal coherence) during the policy and communications process.

          Your argument confuses radical protests with actual leftist policymaking.

          Yes Jesse Jackson could speak at the convention because everyone knew it wouldn’t make a difference.

          We didn’t have a whole party afraid of being cancelled.

          Are you really trying to deny that the epitome of wokeness weren’t the Black Lives Matter and Me Too eras?

          Because that just seems like an incredibly intellectually dishonest argument.

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          • William Benjamin Bankston on

            Bringing up how late Biden moved right on funding the police and immigration seems a cope considering that, as I said, some of what I mentioned above was never condemned by Democrats. In fact, detractors of welfare reform were more or less pandered to. And I do think “The damage was done” when it comes to the Rodney King riots. It was action versus words. And Bill Clinton still won.

            Even if you don’t accept how similar the way Biden dealt with the left was to Clinton and Obama, what’s the explanation for the way the moderate wing of the Republican Party was destroyed in the blue waves of 2006 and 2008 other than centrist-killing polarization? Half at most of it was their purges. such moderates as Lincoln Chafee, Nancy Johnson, Norm Coleman, and John Warner either lost their congressional seats or retired before they would have. There’s no “Get woke, go broke” excuse to be made when the decline of moderates when it also applies to Republicans.

            I think it’s premature to say that The Squad is stuck. I’ve read that a lot of people are running for office as Democrats. And with the economy weakening, Democrats’ current lead in the generic ballot, and the way election polls tend to gravitate toward the opposition, Dems are likely to gain seats. And Zohran Mamdani and Chuck Schumer’s bad personal primary polls indicate there are primary challenges on the way. On the other hand, centrists have almost always lost ground throughout the 21st century. For instance, the conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition entered the 2010’s with well over fifty House seats. They stand at ten today, almost entirely because even they proved too progressive for the average game hunter, farmer, and rural housewife. It had been similar for the moderate Republicans I brought up earlier.

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